Better structured sub-menu Auto image size

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Better structured sub-menu Auto image size

Post by helmut » Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:51 pm

In XnView 1.90 test releases the number of Auto image size options has increased, again. I think it is really time to restructure them a bit. A first step is to create sections using separators as suggested in topic View>Auto Image Size> should read View>Size Image.

And we should avoid abbreviations, "var. width" is no good.

Currently (1.90 beta 1) menu looks like this:
Image

Draft #1: Separators and different ordering to make things clearer
Image

Draft #2: Separators, different ordering, and modified labelling
Image

Changes:
- "Fit image to" has been shortened to "Fit to".
- "all" has been removed since any setting is applied to all images unless it says differently.
- "var." has been changed to "variable"

I think Draft #2 is much better than the beta 1 version.

V 1.90 B1
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Re: Better structured sub-menu Auto image size

Post by GeorgD » Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:55 pm

helmut wrote:Changes:
- "Fit image to" has been shortened to "Fit to".
- "all" has been removed since any setting is applied to all images unless it says differently.
- "var." has been changed to "variable"
Except that I'd prefer to keep "image" in "fit to" (so I know that the image and not XnView window will be fitted to the desktop) I fully support #3. /Georg

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Re: Better structured sub-menu Auto image size

Post by helmut » Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:59 pm

GeorgD wrote:
helmut wrote:Changes:
- "Fit image to" has been shortened to "Fit to".
- "all" has been removed since any setting is applied to all images unless it says differently.
- "var." has been changed to "variable"
Except that I'd prefer to keep "image" in "fit to" (so I know that the image and not XnView window will be fitted to the desktop) I fully support #3. /Georg
Thank you for your immediate feedback.

I quote myself from another topic:
Normally, it's better to be a bit verbose, but if menu texts are too long, it's harder to understand at first glance. The hard thing is to find a good balance between length and clearliness. Basically, Zooming and fitting is for images, so I've removed the word "image". I've changed "large only" to "large images only". All in all the length of the menu items remained the same, but to me this seems a bit clearer.


"Fit to" is not as clear as "Fit image to", but the shorter text increases readability of the whole menu a lot.

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Re: Better structured sub-menu Auto image size

Post by GeorgD » Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:07 pm

helmut wrote:"Fit to" is not as clear as "Fit image to", but the shorter text increases readability of the whole menu a lot.
Hm, I get your point. Not that easy. At least IMHO, here the longer text is not that bad, as it is always the same - so you read it once and for the following lines you only read the tailing part of the line.

Another approach is to make it kind of a "nested list", so

Code: Select all

No fit
Fit image to
  window
  width
  heigth
  ----
  desktop1
  desktop2
Fit windows to image 
Let's call this draft #4 to distinguish :)

/Georg

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Post by Clo » Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:39 pm

—> helmut

• Hi !

• On one hand, like GeorgD, I would prefer to keep “image” in the strings,
since it's indeed more meaningful and unambiguous.

• On the other hand, too long entries are not easy to catch at first glance, you are right.

- The good “luxurious” solution could be to have icons in such menus…
Each icon could show the meaning of its entry very explicitly.

- However, this needs an elaborate feature, in order to get customizable icons, as well at size (still 16² is really too small for the definitions we have nowadays), as style, if the user wishes to get some icons matching with the current skin…

• For example, menu-icons have been added in the new Total Commander 7.0 in ß-stage still, but from my point of view, this addition has been a bit “dashed off” and is not really a progress…
• In XnView, it could be easier, with regard to the use of a standard menu-style ( I use XP-Style, but no XP-theme in Win).
- I don't think that icons in all menus be indispensable…
- But in the case we are talking of, they could be. This menu as a test-template is the best, IMHO.

• Of course, this is not for the 1.90, but it's worth to think to for a next version, maybe 1.9.5, before the mythical future 2.0 …

• Anyway, I'll try to draw some symbols for the “Fit…” thingies, just to get a clue, I've done :

      Image

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Post by Dreamer » Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:31 am

I agree with Georg, I think it would be clearer with "image".
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Post by Olivier_G » Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:18 pm

I have a completely different suggestion about "Auto image size"(in Options) as I explained here. It would also change menu items discussed here.
(I'll try to develop things further very soon)
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Post by Koogle » Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:10 pm

yes it should be draft 2 obviously in this case.. unless there is some better options someone has put forward?..is there?

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Post by ckit » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:37 am

I'd be happy with either Draft 1 or Draft 2 as long as there are separators!
and yes I'm easily pleased! :)
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