Reorganizing 'Options'

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Post by Olivier_G » Fri Dec 30, 2005 5:33 pm

Xyzzy wrote:All my changes are quite trivial to implement I believe, so the probability that Pierre uses them is higher. I do not agree with your tendency to stuff as much options as possible on every page.
OK. Then it may be better to work separately. I even advise you to start a new thread, otherwise your proposal might get un-noticed in this - now - long one... (choice is yours, of course).
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Olivier_G wrote:I would like to get more feedback from other forum members. Guys???
Too long posts.
...right... :(
Then I will use the shortest/funniest way to get feedback: that dreadful Poll thing... :mrgreen:

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Post by Olivier_G » Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:25 pm

So here is my updated suggestion:

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Interface 
   Switching modes 
   Misc
   Toolbar
   Skin
Browser 
   File list 
   Items displayed 
   Open 
   Thumbnail appearance 
   Thumbnail labels 
   Cache 
   Folder Tree
   Preview 
View 
   Misc
   Keyboard/Mouse 
   Fullscreen 
General 
  +Read 
  +Write 
   Plugins Adobe 8bf 
System integration 
   Association
'Slide Show' options should really move to the 'Slide Show' dialog. For Toolbar/Skin/Folder Tree, I do not consider to remove them, as Xyzzy and Dreamer opposed it.

There are 24 categories, which means that the tree fit the current Options window when expanded. I also avoided going to the 3rd level.
My opnion is that we should avoid the Expand/Collapse feature here, in order to provide a clearer and fixed structure (example, thanks to Claude's suggestion)... except for 'Read' and 'Write' (they add 28 categories on 3rd level).
=> is it possible to have a fixed tree with 2 expandable categories only?

I will provide details on each Panel (with groups, options description and changes).

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Post by xnview » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:39 pm

Olivier_G wrote: Thumbnail appearance
Thumbnail labels
I'm not sure that these items can fit in list...
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Post by Xyzzy » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:03 pm

It is VERY good idea to keep the tree only 2-levels deep without the need for expanding branches (like Total Commander). I support it.

All Read/Write options can be put on 2 separate pages, with dropdown list on the top of the page to choose file format and its options displayed below. But this requires a bit of redesign.

As for thumbnails- simply add Thumbnails General as additional tree item.



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Post by klumy » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:42 pm

I think reducing the number of panels would be the best solution to keep the optionsmenu clean
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Post by Olivier_G » Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:31 pm

Update: Xyzzy made a great suggestion and I will consider it for further discussion:

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General
  Keyboard/Mouse
  Default file list
  Read/Write (tabs Read, Write)
  Plugin Adobe 8bf
Interface
  Toolbar (tabs General, Buttons displayed, Skin)
Browser
  File list (tabs General, Items displayed, Cache)
  Thumbnails (tabs General, Appearance, Labels)
  Folder tree
  Preview
View (tabs General, Misc)
  Fullscreen
System integration
  Associations
I believe some options may be removed completely. Some should be renamed, changed or moved...

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Post by xnview » Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:56 pm

Olivier_G wrote:Update: Xyzzy made a great suggestion and I will consider it for further discussion:

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General
  Keyboard/Mouse
  Default file list
  Read/Write (tabs Read, Write)
  Plugin Adobe 8bf
Interface
  Toolbar (tabs General, Buttons displayed, Skin)
Browser
  File list (tabs General, Items displayed, Cache)
  Thumbnails (tabs General, Appearance, Labels)
  Folder tree
  Preview
View (tabs General, Misc)
  Fullscreen
System integration
  Associations
I believe some options may be removed completely. Some should be renamed, changed or moved...
You think that combining list and tabs will be great?
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Post by Olivier_G » Sat Jan 14, 2006 2:14 pm

xnview wrote:You think that combining list and tabs will be great?
Yes, I think so: it will help to provide a clearer Options window and to better organize options visually.

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Post by Olivier_G » Sat Jan 14, 2006 2:22 pm

(this message was almost done when I saw Pierre's comment... so I post it now)

Should those Options be removed:

General
- Use different position/size for browser & view

I wasn't able to take advantage of it. Does it work? Is it actually useful?

General>Startup
- Use all formats available

I didn't measure any difference in startup time (1s), nor while navigating through a whole folder (12s) with or without that option.

Browser>File List
- Recognize only by extension + Scan file headers in folders

There is something fishy here... :(

Browser>Thumbnail
- Use high quality

I really wonder whether bilinear resizing has such an impact. Especially if loading/rendering could be managed in parallel...

Browser>Thumbnail>Appearance
- Use huge thumbnails

With the new window size, the slider could reach 400. Why not remove that checkbox and just allow to directly enter a larger value if necessary?

Browser>Folder tree
- Update Treeview on refresh

What's the advantage of NOT updating it?

View
- Adjust zoom if X/Y DPI are different

What format does allow this? Is there a need for NOT doing this adjustment?

- About High Quality: I think there is an issue with large images. I also believe that 'rendering while loading' would make 'Low quality' almost unnecessary (=>keep only a single option instead of those 3, remove delayed HQ...)

View>File List
- I think that Cache/Buffer should be a single checkbox. See here.

And last: all Keyboards/Mouse options should be gathered under a single Shortcut Manager, as suggested several times by many people.


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Post by Xyzzy » Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:57 am

General
- Use different position/size for browser & view


It is useful when you want fe. Browse in small window and View in maximized (after closing View you are back in your smaller Browser window).

General>Startup
- Use all formats available


If it cuts down startup time by even 0.5 s it is OK for me. (To me it looks like actually startup is shorter, but I haven't measured that).

Browser>File List
- Recognize only by extension + Scan file headers in folders


These options are crap and something should be done about them. Maybe someone could explain to me their usefullness?
See also: http://newsgroup.xnview.com/viewtopic.php?p=23148#23148

Browser>Thumbnail
- Use high quality


It is useful for huge thumbnails.

Browser>Thumbnail>Appearance
- Use huge thumbnails


The huge thumbnails go up to 2048. I would remove 'Use huge thumbnails' as it's not needed. Simply add spin boxes to thumbnail dimensions fields to allow detailed entry. I would welcome presets and ratio locking here.

Browser>Folder tree
- Update Treeview on refresh
Olivier_G wrote:What's the advantage of NOT updating it?
This option is useful when using network drives.

View
- Adjust zoom if X/Y DPI are different
Olivier_G wrote:What format does allow this? Is there a need for NOT doing this adjustment?
According to Pierre some fax formats sometimes use different DPI for X and Y and this options is used to correct it for proper display. I do not know any advantage of having this OFF.

- About High Quality: I think there is an issue with

The performance/quality issues are a whole big problem by themselves. Need some rework and separate thread anyway.

View>File List
Olivier_G wrote:- I think that Cache/Buffer should be a single checkbox. See here.
But at the ned of this thread all problems seem to be solved in 1.80.2?
Olivier_G wrote:And last: all Keyboards/Mouse options should be gathered under a single Shortcut Manager, as suggested several times by many people.
See here: http://newsgroup.xnview.com/viewtopic.php?t=4777

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Post by Olivier_G » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:38 pm

Xyzzy: thank you for your feedback.
=> High Quality (even for thumbnails), Extension/Header, Shortcut Manager, Buffer (works... but can be improved and there is no need for 2 separate settings, IMO) are or should be handled in dedicated threads.

First, the OK ones...
General>Use different position/size for browser & view
=> OK. I thought it was for managing each individual window inside XnView, and not for different settings for the Application window itself! Useful... but might need a clearer name.

Browser>Folder tree>Update Treeview on refresh
"This option is useful when using network drives" => OK.


And the still Open ones...

General>Startup>Use all formats available
"To me it looks like actually startup is shorter, but I haven't measured that" => Can someone confirm this? I don't experience any difference...

Browser>Thumbnail>Appearance>Use huge thumbnails
"I would remove 'Use huge thumbnails' as it's not needed. Simply add spin boxes to thumbnail dimensions fields to allow detailed entry. I would welcome presets and ratio locking here." => I agree.

View>Adjust zoom if X/Y DPI are different
"I do not know any advantage of having this OFF" => Still Open...

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Post by Xyzzy » Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:31 pm

Olivier_G wrote:General>Startup>Use all formats available
"To me it looks like actually startup is shorter, but I haven't measured that" => Can someone confirm this? I don't experience any difference...
This may be only my impression. And I don't have some relatively low-end machine to check it.
Olivier_G wrote:View>Adjust zoom if X/Y DPI are different
"I do not know any advantage of having this OFF" => Still Open...
All right, I've found a reason: image with different X/Y which should not be adjusted on display ;) I wonder if it is easier to spot than Yeti :) Pierre should know.

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Post by Olivier_G » Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:17 pm

Hello to everyone... :D
I am back... at least for this very topic (and Xyzzy's suggestion). Ideas and comments are welcome.
I will try to focus for short term implementation.

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Important detail…

Post by Clo » Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:47 am

:arrow: Olivier_G

:) Hello !

• About the rebuild of the Options, there is an important detail you can see in some post of THIS THREAD.

• It's in French, so in brief :
- Hotkeys are missing for all “Option” pages.
- Even adding them (in experimental DLLs, for example), that doesn't work.
- Pierre said he ought rebuild the whole “Options” thingy…

• Hence, just a *BUMP* in order he doesn't forget the hotkeys ! ;)

:mrgreen: KR
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Post by Olivier_G » Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:27 am

Hi Claude... :)
Thanks for pointing this thread. You're right: it's worth implementing it in the new options system.

Olivier

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